Talking to Ian Masters: an interview by Louis
Vandenberg
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March 21, 2003
Louis Vandenberg: Why do you call your program "Background
Briefing?"
Ian Masters: I call the program "Background Briefing"
because that is what I try to provide the public with, an in-depth
backgrounder on the subject or issue of the day. With very limited
resources, I attempt to have the public listen in on the best
advice and input available in the world, information of a quality
similar to that which the President would get in his daily
briefing. The idea is to allow the public to be a fly on the wall
in the Oval Office. But, since we have a President who is not
intellectually curious and interested only in ideological
reinforcement, "Background Briefing" allows listeners to be better
informed than the Commander-in-Chief. Although objective truth can
be elusive, good, solid information honestly presented can and
should set you free to make up your own mind about what you believe
and how you should act. This is essentially an educational process,
the antithesis of molding the facts to a preconceived ideology or
dogma.
LV: Can you give a "Background Briefing" on yourself?
Masters: By definition the show is not about me, it's about
the guests. However, I'll try to do a backgrounder on myself. In
the 1960's I was able to witness politics up close and personal as
a freelance news cameraman working mostly out of Paris. I moved to
the BBC in London to become an editor and learned how stories are
constructed, edited and presented. My preference is for
documentaries because they allow time to explore a subject and are
best when they have a point of view. I have been privileged to work
with some great newsmen and filmmakers such as Clete Roberts and
Haskell Wexler with whom I did the anti-nuke primer "War Without
Winners.î Other documentaries I worked on include "The Secret
Life of Plants" and "Koyaanisqatsi".
LV: What motivated you to start the program?
Masters: I got started as a result of doing the research for
"War Without Winners" which Haskell and I made for the Center For
Defense Information in Washington D.C. They were and are a think
tank of principled Admirals and Generals opposed to the Military
Industrial Complex's domination of the national security debate on
nuclear arms control and defense spending. Back then the FCC
allowed equal time on TV to counter the well-heeled hawk
propaganda, so the film was aired on television stations across the
country. After studying the secrets of nuclear theology, I soon
learned the emperor had no clothes and that national security meant
more than weapons. We tried to reach the taxpayer whose patriotism
had been manipulated into handing the keys of the treasury over to
these "Dr Strangeloves" on the best guarantee that if we die in a
nuclear attack, the Russians will all die twenty minutes later in
our annihilating response. I felt that the taxpayers should know
what they had bought in the name of national security. Although we
were effective in undermining the big lie that more nukes meant
more security, we lost out to Reagan who was elected by convincing
Americans that their nuclear penis was puny compared to the
Russians. At that time the GM at KPFK, Claire Spark, wanted to
share what I had learned with the public. Thus began a quest for
truth in the nuclear Age, a long twilight cold-war struggle that
mercifully ended with a whimper, although many times--behind the
scenes--it almost ended with a bang.
LV: How long have you been on the air?
Masters: I've been on the air for over twenty years. As I
mentioned, I began broadcasting when Reagan entered the Oval Office
with both guns blazing, not unlike George W Bush. However, Reagan
was elected by a majority of the votersóvery different from
W.
LV: What have been some of your most memorable interviews?
Masters: My most memorable interviews are with lesser-known
but prescient and sentient people such as I.F. Stone. In what may
have been among his last interviews, I remember Izzy talking
passionately about the democracy movement in China that was barely
on the radar at the time but later emerged at Tien An Men
Square.
LV: Why are KPFK and Pacifica important?
Masters: KPFK and Pacifica are obviously gaining more
importance as the corporate media become more and more an extension
and companion of the governing elite. Just as the 1980's
anti-nuclear movement sprung up in response to Reagan's nuclear
gun-slinging, today millions are taking to the streets because they
are alarmed by this swaggering scion Bush, who struts on the world
stage with smart bombs and stupid policies. Already the most hated
man in the world, our President is an incendiary mix of arrogance
and ignorance, decisiveness and dumbness. In a breath-taking short
order he has ruined the U.S. economy, turning a surplus into a
deficit by looting the treasury for his cronies and contributors.
He has undermined national security by uniting and dignifying
America's enemies while dividing and alienating our allies. Bush
has cooked up a phony war against puny Iraq, a conflict that will
be a very quick victory and very long defeat. Although we were the
victims of 9/11, we are now seen as an aggressor nation, and having
lost the world's sympathy, Americans are now a target. Clearly and
ironically, bin Laden rescued this failed and dubiously elected
President from spending his tenure reading to first graders for
press photo-ops, and transformed him overnight in the public mind
into a quasi-Churchillian figure with a cartoonish "Dont mess with
Texas" attitude. Plainly, Bush as Churchill is an absurd notion and
a dismal reflection on the press and public who embrace it. He has
used his 9/11 and war poll numbers to push through a reactionary
legislative agenda that is far removed from the best interests and
wishes of the majority of Amercan citizens. Obviously George W.
Bush thinks he is on to a good thing and will politically milk it
through 2004. That is why he has gone after Saddam. It's
militaristic war-drum "bread and circus" time in America now. And
besides, it puts the chicken-shit ìoppositionî
Democrats on the defensive. Beyond this short-term electoral
cynicism, and to our everlasting detriment, Bush has opened up the
last of our wilderness for irreversible plunder. Everything he has
done, all this deceit and damage, has been delivered and sold to us
by the mainstream corporate media. Anything that can give us some
alternative, something real, like Pacifica or the internet, is to
be treasured. Think of this alternative media as being like Tom
Paine and his clandestine ìsamizdatî printer. Its how
you can be saved from the tyranny of the rulers.
LV: You've spent over twenty years in Pacifica and KPFK. What keeps
you going?
Masters: I strongly believe in delivering information to the
public. One of the great things about America is that it is still
actually very open. You can get even the most establishment people
to talk the truth, in a way, because the majority of Americans are
not paying attention. Alot of people with information figure that
if the corporate media wont use the available facts, and the public
doesnít care, why not just tell the truth. Unfortunately,
the mainstream media doesn't even use the information that is right
in front of them. They fill the factual void with commercial
interests that want you to consume but not be aware. So, that gives
alternative progressive independent outlets an opportunity to do
something important. For independent media, in a very real sense, I
believe we should think globally while acting locally. I support
local programming and diversity. I'm hoping that it goes further. I
want to see a rainbow coalition of the voiceless bringing untapped
talent to KPFK because we all need to know what is happening in our
community, instead of waking up every few decades to a city in
flames.
LV: Your programs often anticipate world and national trends,
crises and conflicts well in advance of their happening. Your track
record is excellent. As but one example, you predicted the end of
the cold war years before it happened. How do you do it?
Masters: There are no secrets, only mysteries to be solved.
Over time you develop contacts with a wide range of people. Why
should our national dialogue in the world's only superpower be
brain-dead when there are so many smart people in America? Just
because the Congress, the people's representatives, have sold out
to the highest bidder doesnít mean that there are not
professionals in the structures of government, in the academic
world, journalism, professional specialties and and even the
corporate world, who care deeply about America and are willing to
speak out. This is particularly true now, at this rare moment in
history, when George W. Bush so dangerously rules the world. It is
times like these that the first amendment becomes critically
important.
LV: Are there any thoughts you might have for those who want to get
involved in or support the kind of journalism you do?
Masters: It's tremendously important that we counter the
lies in the right-wing media with truth and accuracy. One of the
problems in the left wing or "progressive" media is that anyone can
say what he or she thinks. Its another matter to say what you can
prove. A real journalist asks questions without necessarily knowing
the answer in advance. Clearly, in noncommercial independent
progressive broadcast outlets, we don't want to give airtime to the
same right-wing onslaught that dominates the rest of the media. Fox
News is a feedback loop, an echo chamber for the right. But, at the
same time, Pacifica should not mirror this "Pravda" of the Bush
Administration, preaching to an increasingly limited choir of
already like-minded leftists. We need to present the highest
quality, most factual, most informed journalism we can. People are
crying out for truth, for something other than the charade
presented to them as news by the corporate media. We need to take
care though, because in this bankrupt environment it's very easy to
slip into delusion and conspiracy as a substitute for real inquiry.
Credibility is hard to earn and easy to lose. I take it very
seriously. If listeners want to support what I do, they should get
involved at KPFK, in the advisory committees, in the by-laws
committee, and most importantly the Program Council. Listeners need
to show up and represent the people. Management really needs good
reasonable input sincerely expressed by the real owners of the
station: the listeners and contributors. I know it's a lot to ask,
after they've given money, but the silent majority should step up
because the network needs the input to help keep them grounded and
going in the right direction. Besides getting directly involved in
station operation and guidance, I ask listeners to my program to
make it clear to management that they support diversity and
democracy as well as "Background Briefing" by e-mailing the General
Manager KPFK at gm@kpfk.org.
LV: Back to geopolitics for a moment --what do you see as the most
significant challenges facing the world today?
Masters: The biggest problem facing the world is that most
people on the planet have miserable lives with little prospect
while a few enjoy all the wealth, resources and comfort. Obviously
this cannot last because the ìhavesî and
ìhave-notsî will meet somewhere. It may be in some
destructive "jihad," or it may be in a place of truth and justice.
I hope for the latter.
LV: What about within the United States?
Masters: The United States, the worldís lone
superpower, is currently led by two contradictory elements: an
unusual alliance of isolationists and unilateralists and an unholy
alliance of pro-Likud neo-conservatives and Christian
fundamentalists who rely on a narrow apocalyptic reading of the
bible for their public morality and worldview. Strangely, the U.S.
is the only democracy where the majority of its people are almost
completely detached and alienated from their government. They seem
to have no concept that you vote for politicians who provide public
services to all citizens. But, the publicís lack of
participation has led to an absurdly reversed situation where a
handful of the rich and powerful give thousands to politicians and
get millions or billions back from the government for themselves.
In spite of the disastrous results of privatization, the auctioning
of America continues and I fear we will become a Third World
country ruled by the super-rich. I hope we wake up and reclaim the
birthright that the framers bequeathed and activate citizenship to
pursue ìhappiness and a more perfect union.î
Otherwise, you can be a passive consumer and Rupert Murdoch will
take care of you - something you really don't want to happen.
LV: Do you feel that the fact that you're Australian gives you an
objectivity which makes your program unique?
Masters: In Australia you get fined if you don't vote. I
grew up with full spectrum politics, not this narrow right wing
sham that passes for political debate in the United States. But,
being Australian is no guarantee of political enlightenment. Rupert
Murdoch is also from Australia. He was a Communist in university
before becoming a slash and burn capitalist. I also spent a lot of
time in Europe and the Soviet bloc so I've lived in countries where
socialism is the orthodoxy, not the tormented minority. Obviously
its lucrative to serve the right-wing on radio and other media.
But, I've become more left wing in America out of a sense of
fairness, even if it's like tilting at windmills. I just can't
believe that working Americans think that George W. Bush cares for
them while he's giving away the store to his friends and
backers.
LV: I know weíve spoken about the media and its failings,
but could you expand a bit regarding your criticism of American
print and broadcast journalism?
Masters: I find it hopelessly constipated and devoid of any
ideas, let alone passion. This thesis-antithesis-synthesis
convention in the media--the pro, con, then meaningless mush,
probably is a reflection of the two party system (as if there is
only two sides to an argument). But as the world turns from black
and white to gray, the paradigm becomes useless. Little wonder
George W sees things in black and white, good or evil. It sells
because it's simplistic and a lot easier to deal with. But, active
citizens have to deal with the real world where there are no easy
answers. That's why I think Liberals and Progressives are the real
political heroes in America. They were the pragmatists who offered
solutions to civil rights, women's rights, environmental
destruction, health care and secure retirement. The conservatives,
having no ideas, just said no, while offering atavistic dreams of a
shining city on the hill that never was. The real truth about
America is that less than 25% of Americans live in the traditional
"Ozzy and Harriet" nuclear family. It's about time we recognized
the American reality--the majority of families in the United
States, 75% in fact, have working mothers. More reality: the
indebted and shrinking middle class, the working poor and blended
families. Does the media cover them?
LV: How do you put a typical "Background Briefing" program
together?
Masters: I come in to the station early on Sunday and hit
the phones. If I had some time during the week to do research or
call people it would not be such a nail-biter. But I don't have a
producer or for that matter, a researcher, so I have to pull it out
of the ether. Sometimes I go on the air without the hour filled,
praying that someone will call back.
LV: You feature a number of people on the program who are former
intelligence professionals. Why?
Masters: I believe a journalist's job is to get as much
credible information as possible out to the public. A government
should not hold secrets from the people. Article two of the
Constitution makes clear that the government should regularly
publish a full and complete budget. So how do you explain secret
black budgets with hidden billions that benefit defense
contractors? Who has most of the secrets? The CIA and to a lesser
extent the other alphabet soups in the Washington D.C.
securitocracy. Although some of my less than rational detractors
think that talking to ex-CIA officers means I work for the agency,
let me assure you that I do not. I think it's my duty as a
journalist to dig up the hidden history of U.S. foreign policy. You
talk to the people who have the information. Allthough there is a
hidden history, it is possible to go overboard with conspiracy
theories. It is depressing that many people are so alienated from
their government that they ascribe great secret powers to it. This
is the antithesis of political activism, to assume that six white
men in a back room run the world, and therefore citizen political
engagement is hopeless. Power is what you give to others. I believe
in empowering people with knowledge and information that can be
used against those who want to keep us ignorant, distracted and
powerless.
LV: You sometimes interview conservatives, such as John Fund, Larry
Klayman and Lou Sheldon. Why?
Masters: Because their views are the dominant orthodoxy and
you will never change the status quo unless you chip away at the
internal logic of the conventional wisdom. Wall to wall Noam
Chomsky may make you feel good, but in the real world, the left has
nothing to be comfortable about. The left hasn't so much lost the
argument; they are not even in it. You will never take back this
country by clinging to self-righteous martyrdom. You have to take
the right wing on and reach out to the center by coming up with a
better argument than Rush Limbaugh. It's the same as Union
organizing. You don't look down on workers who are slaves. You try
to lift them up. Don't blame people for stumbling about in the
dark. Light some candles.
LV: What do you think of the politics in the United States? What
happened to the left in America? It seems to have disappeared.
Masters: As the Irish say, the situation is critical but not
serious. I am heartened by the fact that Michael Moore's book
"Stupid White Men" is still a bestseller. Besides, there have been
many times when the left voted and had real representation in
America. Unfortunately the malefactors of great wealth manipulate
the electorate using identity politics, dividing and distracting
those working people who do vote with hot button social issues like
abortion, guns, and affirmative action. Meanwhile, under the
surface, Americans are having their democracy, their natural
resources, their economic wealth and their civil liberties swindled
from them. There are far greater numbers who have everything to
gain from voting but nobody to inspire and convince them that they
too have a stake in America. Clearly, this is a country run by and
for merchants and as long as you buy their propaganda and their
products, you'll always be bamboozled by them. Its time for a
get-out-the-vote drive combined with a consumer boycott of all the
products that are killing the planet. We need both political
empowerment and personal freedom to choose, not from meaningless
brands, but from meaningful lifestyles.
LV: Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future?
Masters: I have to be optimistic. I have a nineteen year old
daughter who will be the President of the United States some
day.
LV: What advice do you have for listeners who want to make a
positive difference in the world?
Masters: Stop expecting to lose in politics and start
planning to win. The idiots who run this country have figured this
out. But it's your country too, so take it back and make it
better!
Contact Ian at: ianmasters@mail.com
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